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A crucial shift in the debate. Focusing on mechanisms over behavior is the only rigorous path forward for both AI and animal consciousness.
Cool insight: life might’ve started from simple wet-dry cycles acting like a natural search engine, not a single lucky molecule. Makes the whole origin of life feel a lot more physical and testable.
Clear overview of why Hyperon aims to go beyond transformer-based AI. Interesting contrast between today’s statistical LLMs and a metagraph-driven, symbol-rich architecture designed for AGI.
Consciousness can’t be judged by behavior alone the underlying mechanisms matter. A good reminder to stay cautious but open-minded as research evolves.
refreshing to see the same logic applied to both animals and AI
Interesting point it really shows why behavior alone isn’t enough to judge consciousness.
I appreciate how the article connects neuroscience and AI research without oversimplifying the topic. Moving from assessing consciousness by behavior to focusing on underlying mechanisms marks a crucial advancement. This approach offers a more scientific and equitable framework to explore sentience in both animals and artificial intelligence, which is vital for ethical considerations and AGI development.
Can we fully trust behavioral or structural indicators to detect consciousness, or is there a risk of projecting human concepts of awareness onto nonhuman systems?
This is such a fascinating read! It really highlights how tricky it is to pin down consciousness. I like how it shifts the focus from just observing behavior to understanding the underlying processes—whether in insects or AI. It makes me think that we might be closer to recognizing new forms of awareness than we realize, but also that appearances can be deceiving. Definitely challenges the way we think about intelligence and experience beyond humans.
I always believed other animals and evwn insects are conscious. However, their consciousness is somehow premordial.
My reading on the subject is a bit rusty but I can share it as it is. Understanding consciousness might be the most important key to unlock a super cool future.
What I knkw for sure is that there is, so far, no single scientific scale that determines “how conscious” each species is. Uet, undoubtedly, there is broad agreement on a few points based on neuroscience, behavior, and evolutionary biology.
1. Many animals show clear evidence of conscious experience. Mammals and birds have complex nervous systems, advanced problem-solving abilities, emotional behavior, and brain structures associated with awareness.
Many primates, dolphins, whales, elephants, dogs, pigs, corvids (crows, ravens), and parrots has shown High confidence of consciousness! These species demonstrated self-awareness, planning, empathy, tool use, and flexible learning.
2. Reptiles, amphibians, and fish show simpler but still real forms of awareness. Countless scientific evidence suggests they feel pain, respond flexibly to their environment, and can learn. Their consciousness is more limited but still present.
3. Some insects show surprisingly sophisticated cognition which also indicates signs of consciousness (in its basic definition).
Bees can learn concepts (same/different), navigate using mental maps, and show optimism/pessimism-like states. Ants perform complex cooperation and memory tasks. Flies show decision-making tradeoffs and attention-like processes.
These for me are simple form of “felt experience” and such experiences may exist in at least some dozen other insects.
Another point I want to make here is that it is time to consider our cruelty toward other lofe forms.
Emm, when it comes to the AI, I don't think they are conscious in any way or form right now because they are programmed to project it. For such artifical systems, they only way to be sure is to apply the complexity levels of consciousness”.
For me, the best but simple scientific hierarchy for AIs complexity is:
Does the system, without any direct programming, register a complex reflective consciousness? Reflect about what? I have no clue this is like alien awareness 👽😂
Does the system, without any direct programming, register a perceptual consciousness? Recursion, memory?
Does the system, without any direct programing, register a basic sentience associated with pain, pleasure, or environmental awareness? Well here again, some of these will be complicated as the AI doesn't have a body, embodiment maybe 🤷
To make the subject more Herculian, some researchers even work on the most primordial form of consciousness which is very low or unknown on lofe forms like worms, jellyfish, and other simple and small invertebrates.
I am not one of those who outright reacts artifical Consciousness is impossible. Why, because the natural consciousness has time and again demonstrated it not binary; it’s a spectrum!
Different species have different forms—not simply “more” or “less,” but different types of experience based on their brains. Maybe oir AIs have a spectrum that we are not capable to conceive currently. Theirs is alien like spectrum to the physics of our planet. Time will tell.